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BRITAIN'S voting system is 'archaic' and divisive' and does not represent the will of millions, a pressure group has argued. The Electoral Reform Society, which has campaigned for proportional representation for 130 years, claimed last month's General Election was the most disproportionate ever.  It said UKIP would have WON up to 80 seats using the type of PR used in many European nations, while the GREENS would have got 20.  UKIP and the GREENS received 5MILLION VOTES, but under the FIRST-PAST-THE-POST system ended up with ONE MP each.  An E R S-commissioned survey said under PR the TORIES would have seen their tally of MPs fall  by almost 100 while  LABOUR would have gone down 24...

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LISBON TREATY IS DEAD!  

says leading legal expert.

eurofacts-July 4-2008

Vol 13-No 19.

"It is inconceivable that the text, without a change, will ever be put before the Irish people again in a REFERENDUM."

Lord Neill of Bladen, a former vice-chancellor of Oxford and Warden of All Souls is one of Britain's leading legal authorities. His speech to the Lords on 18th June on the legal status of the Lisbon Treaty following the Irish referendum is published in full because of the obvious importance of the subject.

The Foreign Secretary said in his Statement the other day:

"The rules of the treaty and of the EU are clear. ALL 27 member states must ratify the treaty for it to come into force...There is no question of ignoring the Irish vote or of bulldozing Irish opinion. Ireland clearly cannot be bound by the changes that it has not ratified

[Official report, Commons 16/6/08: col.704.]

 

Final provisions

He is completely correct in what he said.  I hope that I shall be forgiven for reminding your Lordships of some of the relevant legal provisions, as I do not think that we spend any instant of time on them.  You have to go to the  treaty of Lisbon in its unreadable form which is in Command Paper 7294 -the hunks and not the rewritten version that we have all been working from which the Government kindly produced.  If you toil your way through to page 156 of the treaty as printed, you come to the final provisions.

The key provision for today is Article 6:

"This treaty shall be ratified by the High Contracting parties in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.  the instruments of ratification shall be deposited with the Italian Republic... This Treaty shall enter into force on 1 January 2009, provided that all the instruments of ratification have been deposited, or failing that, on the first day of the month following the deposit of the instrument of ratification by the last signatory State to take this step".

These provisions require ratification of this treaty -not some other amended or altered version - by ALL 27 member states.  The treaty will not enter into force until the last of the 27 has deposited the instrument of ratification with Italy.

THAT EVENT, WE KNOW, WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Ireland has duly followed its constitutional requirements and a referendum was held.  I have looked at the Constitution of Ireland.

Article 46 and 47

deal with proposals for an amendment of the Constitution which have to be,

"submitted by Referendum to a decision of the people in accordance with the law for the time being in force".

That law is the next article, which simply says that a proposal for amendment of the Constitution should be,

"submitted by Referendum to the decision of the people".

The proposal will be held to have been approved if a majority cast their votes in favour at such a referendum. I am shortening it, but that is the gist.

 

Present Debate

That event has not happened. The opposite has happened.  The people have refused it; they have rejected it. For the sake of accuracy, I should record that there are two referendum Acts in Ireland -those of 1994 and 1996.   As far as I can tell from the textbook summary, they add nothing of relevance to the present debate.

WHAT ARE THE FACTS AS THEY ARE TODAY?

The best source for me was today's Irish Times. On page 8, we are told that the Taoiseach, Mr Brian Cowen, said in the Dail yesterday:

 

" In my discussions with my colleagues". - he was talking about discussions that will take place tomorrow -"I will be stressing that the people have spoken and that the Government accepts the result".

The Labour leader , Eamon Gilmore quoted him as saying that it was important that everyone accepted the decision made last Thursday.  The Fine Gael leader , Edna Kenny, joined in, emphasising his disappointment with the result but adding that the decision must be accepted and respected.

Meanwhile, the first page of the Irish Times carried the headline, "EU may offer concessions and opt-outs to win new treaty vote".

We read from the reporter:

"France and Germany are quietly hoping the Government will consider holding another referendum in the Spring before the next European elections on the basis of several opt-outs from core EU policies or declarations explaining how the Lisbon Treaty does not affect Irish tax or abortion laws.  British diplomats are more cautious, believing a second failed referendum could provoke an EU crisis".

 

One understands from that that the discussion has moved on from the text of the Lisbon treaty to some improved version that the Irish -and, we must add, the other 26 member states-will be content with. 

THAT WILL BE A NEW TREATY

and will lead to a new Bill coming to this House [Lords] and to the House of Commons

FOR APPROVAL.

 

Facing the Facts

We must be prepared to face the facts -the legal facts and the facts of the world - which are that the

LISBON TREATY is DEAD

and that there is no possibility of the TREATY in its existing form ever coming into operation.

Ireland, by its own due process

HAS REJECTED IT.

All the political parties in Ireland accept that result.

It is inconceivable that the text, without a change, will ever be put before the Irish people again in a

REFERENDUM.

It is possible that there will be something different in a few month's time, but the GOVERNMENT are planning to ratify a DEAD TREATY.

I say "dead" , because the TREATY itself dictates by insisting on unanimous ratification.  Nothing in existing law on the Lisbon treaty says that there is some way in which you can deal with it now with less than a 27-member vote.

The other thing that we need to think about and to which the Government have given no considerarion, so far as I can see, is the effect on the BILL , of which we are being asked to give a Third reading, of the Lisbon Treaty

NEVER COMING INTO EFFECT.

I will take your lordships to that, but I can summarise in advance by saying that the absence of a Lisbon treaty strikes a lethal blow

AT THE BILL AS IT IS.

I shall start with the commencement clause,

Clause 8, which states:

" Section 3 (and the Schedule) come into force in accordance with provision made by the Secretary of State by order".

Clause 3 (3) says:

" The table in the Schedule to this Act sets out substitutions required to reflect terminology after the commencement of the Treaty of Lisbon".

 

The whole exercise of re-labelling and amending existing treaties will not come into operation until the treaty of Lisbon has commenced -an event that I submit

WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Clause 8 (3) says:

" the other provisions of this Act come into force on Royal Assent"

 -that is, in a day or two from now.

 

Let us look back to see what we have in the rest of the Bill.

Clause1 -defines the treaties that we are talking about. They are defined in terms of signature. I make that point in case anyone seizes on it.

The Clause states:

" In this Act 'The treaty of Lisbon means the Treaty of Lisbon Amending the treaty on European Union and the Treaty Establishing the European Community signed at Lisbon on 13th December 2007".

 

Clause 2, which is headed, "Addition to the list of treaties", says:

"At the end of the list of treaties in Clause 1(2) of the European Communities Act 1972..add-

and (s) the Treaty of Lisbon Amending the Treaty", et cetera.

THAT IS THE LANGUAGE.

We are to add to the list of treaties a treaty

THAT WILL NEVER TAKE EFFECT.

What precisely, is parliament doing in telling everyone who writes a textbook or completes a list of up-to-date legislation on the EU that they are to add to the list of relevant EU TREATIES a TREATY that is, at the moment,

COMPLETELY DEAD.

A new one may come along, but we have not got there.

In Clause 3, we have the changes in terminology, I am not going to take any more time. I have referred to subsection(3)-

Noble Lords:  Oh!

Lord Neill of Bladen:

My Lords, I am sorry that noble Lords do not like  to be told the legal position. I would have thought that the

RULE OF LAW

would be a welcome doctrine in this House.

 

Different Verdict

Lord Anderson of Swansea: My lords, is the legal position not the same as that in respect of the Nice treaty, which was rejected by the Irish and is now law?

Lord Neill of Bladen:

My Lords, correct me if I am wrong, but the same treaty was ultimately put to the Irish population again. the Irish were told to re-think and came up  with a different verdict.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HERE FROM IRELAND TODAY.

They are not going to do it again and they will not be insulted by the idea that they might do so.

 

Clause 4 is headed. "Increase of powers of European Parliament".

It states:

"The Treaty of Lisbon is approved for the purposes of...the European parliamentary Elections Act 2002".

THIS IS A DEAD DUCK

 

It does not apply at all.

There will never be a TREATY of LISBON.

We go to Clause 5, which is headed,

"Amendment of founding treaties".

It tells us in subsection(1):

"A treaty which satisfies the following conditions may not be ratified unless approved by an

ACT of PARLIAMENT",

 

then there are two conditions, of which the second is:

"Condition 2 is that the treaty results from the application of Article 48(2) to (5) of the Treaty on European Union 9as amended by the treaty of Lisbon)"

THAT CONDITION CAN NEVER BE SATISFIED

So Clause 5

CAN NEVER OPERATE.

 

Clause 6, which is headed

"Parliamentary control of decisions".gives a whole list of provisions that will need parliamentary approval.

All make reference either to the treayu of European Union covered in paragraphs (a), (b), and (c) of subsection (1) , or to mthe Treaty on the functioning of the European Union, covered in paragraphs (d) to (i).

Those treaties are defined as the LISBON TREATY in subsection (4).  The effect of that is that no provision other than Clause1-and possibly clause on commencement-

WILL EVER COME INTO FORCE.

or bite an anything, if there is

NO TREATY of LISBON.

 

For Parliament to be asking to give a Third reading to a bill that has nil effect, and submit it for Royal Assent seems entirely WRONG.

Your Lordships may say-and I see the smiles of some noble lords facing me-that there has been a big win for the proponents of the treaty.  So it is.  Everybody in the House knows that every vote has been won by the Government and their allies and lost by the Conservatives.  We all know that.   We know that a Bill is in a position where, if we asked to put uop our hands , a majority would be in favour. I have not the slightest objection to any paarliamentary procedure that could be devised for taking the opinion of Parliament on approving the terms of the Lisbon treaty. However, we ought not to be asked to go through what is a CHARADE of THIRD READING of a BILL that, as I have demonstrated,

CAN NEVER ACHIEVE ITS INTENDED RESULT.

It would be different if someone were prepared to stand up and say.

,

"Don't you worry, it'll all be put to the Irish population again and they're going to vote it through, so there is some real substance here".

However, I cannot believe anybody in the House could sincerely believe that to be a possibility.  we ought to do what the Irish have asked for. let us have some time and space so that we can see what comes up. let us talk to our colleagues in Brussels tomorrow and Friday

THEN THERE WILL BE A PERIOD.

 

Lord Tomlinson:  My Lords, I thamk the noble l|lord for giving way. if he is seriously asking to do what the Irish have asked us to do, would he not reflect that the Irish have asked us to continue and to complete the process of ratification in this country?

[Interruption]

Lord Neill of Bladen:   My Lords

, I shall carry on.  the last time I had really big support was at a planning inquiry, where I was booed by an entire village.

I DID NOT LET IT PUT ME OFF THEN.

We ought not to be doing this. there should not be a ratification or a Third reading of a Bill that is so crippled by a shot that has gone through it. On whether we should help our Irish friends, I do not know which way they are turning.

THEY ARE SHOT TO PIECES.

They say very nicely in a very nice accent to all the other member states,

"You carry on with ratification",

BUT earlier I heard people saying,

"This Parliament is sovereign, we take our decisions here".

It is a total irrelevance. the view expressed by the Irish [Government and allies] on what other member states should do does not weigh with me in the slightest.

WE ARE IN LONDON IN THE WESTMINSTER PARLIAMENT

 

WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS.

 

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[Lord Tomlinson is certainly no democrat when he sounds off about  the Irish Government and its allies having asked the British Government and their fellow TRAITORS to continue RATIFICATION over the heads of the MAJORITY of IRISH VOTERS who have given their democratic decision by the most democratic means of a  REFERENDUM.]

 

Copyright Hansard, House of Lords Debate, 18th June,2008,

(www.publications.parliament.uk)

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